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America’s Dangerous Codependency with China – with Willem de Vogel

Undermoney by DCI Group

Throughout history, totalitarian regimes such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union have committed atrocities against humanity.

These megalomaniacs fight against western government and democracy with a singular goal—to reign over the world.

China has been quietly fighting a cold war against the United States that echoes that of the 20th century Cold War between the Soviet Union and the U.S. Although concrete evidence is hard to collect in black and white, all the pieces indicating the intentions of China are shown through the actors of the regime of Chinese President, Xi Jinping.

In this episode of Undermoney, host Jay Newman interviews The Jamestown Foundation’s Chief Chairman, Willem de Vogel. Jay and Willem discuss the dangers that the current Chinese government poses on the United States, its economy and its very way of life.

When it comes to to security of our freedom as a nation, knowing our enemy is key. Tune in to this new episode of “Undermoney” to educate yourself on the inner workings of the Chinese Communist Party and what needs to happen to secure America’s safety.

00:00 🚨 China, under Xi Jinping's leadership, aims to dominate the world and opposes democracy, freedom of speech, and an independent judiciary, while incarcerating Muslims and eliminating dissenters.

  • Willem de Vogel discusses the potential threats China poses in terms of data and their goals in financial politics and geoeconomics.
  • The speaker, who is not an expert but a commentator, discusses the importance of understanding China and the Chinese Communist Party's ambitions.
  • China, under the leadership of Xi Jinping, aims to regain its historical position in the world by 2049, and the US needs to wake up to the fact that China has been in a cold war with them for decades.
  • Xi Jinping wants to dominate the world and opposes democracy, freedom of speech, and an independent judiciary, following in the tradition of Chinese emperors and revering Mao who killed millions of his own people.
  • Xi Jinping's regime in China is responsible for incarcerating Muslim uyghurs, killing opponents and selling their organs for profit, and his motives are unclear, as he was appointed an unprecedented third term in the lead up to the 20 party of Congress.
  • Many of his dissenters were eliminated before a Congress of six people, who were subsequently arrested, tried, and sentenced to up to 14 years in jail.

07:20 🇨🇳 China's hostile objective to dominate the world is executed through various tactics outlined in "Unrestricted Warfare", including the use of data and influence through apps like TikTok.

  • China's objective to dominate the world is a hostile one and they are executing it through actions designed to make their opponents submit to their will, as stated in the book "Unrestricted Warfare".
  • "Unrestricted Warfare" is a book written by two Air Force Colonels in 1991 that outlines hundreds of ways in which China can weaken its opponents and ultimately replace them without fighting, by taking assets and turning them into weapons.
  • China's surveillance state can help stop the fentanyl crisis, but their lack of acknowledgement and action towards the issue remains a problem.
  • Killing Americans weakens us and international institutions can be a cause for good or bad, as seen with China's clever use of friends to maintain its Emerging Market advantages.
  • China's Tick Tock app is an example of how data can be used to influence people's thinking and has helped China understand the value of data.
  • TikTok, with over a billion daily users, has the ability to influence and propagandize young people, as well as record and access their data, leading to concerns about its impact on mental health and national security.

17:19 🚨 China's control over information and data collection through TikTok, manufacturing capabilities, and pressure on Chinese students studying in America raises concerns about national security.

  • Tick Tock is popular among young people and politicians don't want to disappoint their young followers, but there is a lack of understanding about the potential dangers of data collection and manipulation.
  • China has mastered propaganda and controlling the flow of information, captured the youth of America through TikTok, and created a culture of dependency by providing cheap labor.
  • Many American companies invest in China for bigger growth and better results, but they often overlook the fact that they need government permission to take a dollar out and that there is no rule of law in China, leading to the export of manufacturing capabilities and hurting American workers.
  • Chinese students studying in top American universities are being viewed with suspicion due to concerns that they may disclose information that is helpful to China, and the large charitable donations made by China to these universities make it difficult for them to stop accepting these students.
  • Chinese students in America are pressured by the CCP to provide information and befriend professors to avoid consequences for their family members in China.
  • Chinese government receives information and controls news organizations, as seen in Bloomberg's 2012 expose on Xi Jinping's family's assets.

24:53 🇨🇳 China's economy and society face significant challenges, including inflation, the pyramid problem, and disappearing old age savings, exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic, while policy makers focus on the chip Act.

  • We must do everything we can to win the cold war with an enemy that has no respect for international norms or institutions and is willing to sacrifice millions of its own people to the goals of the Chinese Communist Party.
  • China's growth is slowing down due to becoming more Marxist-driven and the one-child policy resulting in a shrinking workforce.
  • China's lack of safety net for retirees and preference for real estate investments, coupled with an overbuilt and overleveraged market, poses a significant problem for the country's economy.
  • China is facing significant economic and social challenges, including inflation, the pyramid problem, and the disappearance of old age savings, exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic, which has highlighted the superiority of Western democracies and capitalist systems.
  • China implemented lockdowns to slow down the number of COVID-19 cases per day and prevent overwhelming their healthcare system due to a lack of emergency room beds and a low vaccination rate.
  • China's self-destruction may be a reasonable strategy to pursue, and policy makers are not engaging in most other levels except for the chip Act.

31:30 🚨 China's economic warfare, obsession with Taiwan, and Belt and Road initiative may weaken the US and its allies, while protecting Taiwan's semiconductor industry is crucial.

  • China's export controls could lead to them winning economic warfare against the US, with Apple being a prime example of their control over production and sales.
  • China's obsession with Taiwan is driven by Xi Jinping's desire to be recognized as the Emperor who consolidated the geographic reunification of China, and if we do nothing, China will capture Taiwan one way or another.
  • If America lets Taiwan disappear, it will lose the trust of its allies such as Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, and India, and China will gain more influence in Europe.
  • China's control over ports, mines, oil drilling, forests, and governments through its Belt and Road initiative may weaken the US and its allies, and the outcome of two major conflicts will determine whether the US will defend Taiwan.
  • Ukraine can expel Russians with US support, but US is hesitant to provide missiles to Ukraine.
  • To prevent China from dominating and controlling the semiconductor industry, it is crucial to publicly announce that Taiwan will not be taken over by China and to protect the Fabs where 60% of the world's semiconductors are made.

39:00 💪 The US must speed up arming Taiwan and defend Ukraine to deter China, while also detecting and eradicating their propaganda strategy and disentangling from their influence.

  • To deter China from invading Taiwan, the US should speed up the arming of Taiwan and ensure their production capabilities are up to par.
  • Maintaining strategic ambiguity is important in defending Taiwan militarily, as the undercurrent in Taiwan does not resemble the will demonstrated by the Ukrainian people, and the US should be ready to participate in case of a Chinese invasion.
  • To protect America's interests, we must defend Ukraine, deter China from going after Taiwan, detect and eradicate China's propaganda strategy, and disentangle from China's influence.
  • Denial strategy and constrainment are important in the US-China trade war, with official government findings of a cold war making it harder for companies to invest in China and leading to an acceleration of the Exodus from China.
  • The cost of addressing various issues such as defense and climate change will be high, but the speaker does not suggest increasing defense spending and has reservations about the Green New Deal.
  • To avoid making China richer and becoming dependent on them, the US needs to bear the cost of extracting rare earth minerals domestically and develop a national will to take on the problem.

50:02 🌍 Congress is aware of the dangers posed by Russia and China, but leaders are reluctant to call it a Cold War and we need to stop helping our adversary achieve its goals.

  • Congress is aware of the dangers posed by Russia and China, but leaders are reluctant to call it a Cold War.
  • The possibility of a hot war with China could lead to infrastructure failures and unconventional attacks, but the use of nuclear weapons is unlikely due to their defensive nature.
  • China's reliance on trade means that a hot war is unlikely, but economic pain inflicted by the US could be more meaningful than that inflicted on Russia during the Cold War.
  • China has the capability to harm the US with missiles, but there should be self-constraint, and the new political lineup in China may not have the ability to warn of the economic catastrophe that will follow if they start a hot war.
  • We are repeating the same mistake as in the late 1930s by helping our adversary achieve its goals, and we need to stop this foolishness and accept that some things may get more expensive to avoid strengthening our enemy.
  • We should make it clear that we are not against the Chinese people or the rank and file of the CCP, but against the tyrants who run them, and we should do more to help them communicate and continuously get messages to them that we love them and are not against them.

01:00:27 👏 Vogel passionately advocates for raising awareness based on facts, hoping Americans will come around to it.

  • Vogel is thanked for passionately sharing the importance of raising awareness based on facts and hopes the American people will come around to it.


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